Are Crypto Perpetuals Futures or Swaps? Kalshi vs. John Lothian

CoinDesk's The Policy Protocol hosts Rebecca Rettig and Renato Mariotti unpack the CFTC's 267-page proposed rule-making around prediction markets and event contracts, plus the letter from crypto CEOs backing the BRCA. And, a debate between John Lothian and Udesh Jha, Head of Exchange Analytics at Kalshi, over whether crypto perpetuals are properly classified as futures or swaps. - Read more from Ari Redbord about the mixer indictment under 1956: https://www.din.com/posts/ari-redbord_in-the-midst-of-debate-around-clarity-activity-7470924721635794944-8yUy?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios&rcm=ACoAADHl20UBUd56sB8eTJ0w5gv3WIBQo2eJ6f0 - Timecodes: 00:00 Welcome to The Policy Protocol 01:10 CFTC's 267-Page Prediction Markets Rule 03:10 60+ CEOs Back the BRCA 05:30 The Perpetuals Debate 07:43 John Lothian's Case: Do Perpetuals Look Like Swaps? 09:45 Kalshi's Udesh Jha on Funding Rates and Cost of Carry 12:43 Would Swap Status Shut Out Retail? 16:45 Is Kalshi Making the Rules Up? 19:25 John's Closing: Market Manipulation Concerns 20:46 Udesh's Closing: 'Regulation First' 23:29 Person of the Week: State Regulators 23:38 Illinois' Digital Asset Trading Tax 24:20 NY DFS Aligns With Genius - #cryptocurrency #digitalfinance #finance #bitcoin #crypto Subscribe to CoinDesk on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/CoinDesk?sub_confirmation=1 CoinDesk is the leading digital media, events and information services company for the crypto asset and blockchain technology community. Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/coindesk LinkedIn: https://www.din.com/company/coindesk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/coindesk Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CoinDesk Newsletters: https://www.coindesk.com/newsletters CoinDesk Podcast Network: https://open.spotify.com/show/2jyIhkvAQhed8AWDZiPpSP Public Keys: https://open.spotify.com/show/1rqYzRV10nfKfoTpFXZhTE Markets Daily Crypto Roundup: https://open.spotify.com/show/7sDXM8BlxsUqzL2IqmLqwE The Policy Protocol: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Fh8ffulAWcCqMu0uVuwoj